ʕlaːʃ bdiːt ṛ < rock > //

Why did I start playing rock'n'roll?

eu ma man /

well er, I did, didn't..

m ma kəntʃ ɣaːdi nə#

I wasn't going to..

ma kəntʃʕaːṛəf ṛaːsi ɣaːdi nəbda r //

I didn't know I was going to start playing rock

< parce que> pəskəə /

because er..

ħiːt fəlluwəl /

because, at the beginning..

kənt ɣi kənəə#

I was only er..

kənt kənsməʕ //

I only listened.

muːsiːqa /

to music

fħaːl gaːʕənnaːs //

like everybody else

et eu::: /

and er..

kiːfaːʃ bdiːt kənsməʕ //

How did I start listening?

bdiːt kənsməʕ //

I started listening

muːsiːqa < des des des > /

music of of of er..

< fin des années quatre vingt > //

the end of the 80's.

wəlliːt < indépendant > f < l’écoute > djaːli //

I became independent in my listening (my choices).

lli ʕaːd baːʃ wəlliːt kən /

that I only just began to..

sməʕ daːkʃʃi lli /

listen to what I..

lli bɣiːt nəsməʕ //

.. want to listen to.

jəʕni maʃi daːkʃʃi lli ɣaːdi nəsməʕ /

that is, not to what I would normally listen to..

fəttəlfaːza wəlla /

on television or..

fəṛṛadjo wəlla /

on the radio or..

wəlla ɣaːdi nəsməʕ liːh /

or what I'll listen to..

fəə::: /

on er..

fʃi blaːṣa xuṛa //

or somewhere else.

wəlla ɣa nətxul ʃi < salle > /

or I'll go to a hall,

wəlla ɣa nətxul ʃi blaːṣa //

or I'll go to some place

wəlliːt kənmʃi /

I began to go..

kənʕṛəf ʃniːhija kaːṣiːṭa katʃəʒʒəl //

to know what is a cassette that you can record on.

ħiːt fluwwəl ma kaːn ʕəndnaʃ < les CD > /

because, at first, we didn't have CD's..

ma ʕəndnaʃ kaːṣiːṭaːt kajtbaːʕu //

we couldn't buy (commercial) cassettes.

< donc > /

so

ɣaːdi tənmʃi.. /

I would go..

ɣaːdi tqəlləb ʕla kaṣiːṭa ʕənd < disquaire > //

you'll go and look for a cassette in a record shop

mais qbəl /

but before..

kiːfaːʃ ʕṛəft haːd s< système> /

how did I get to know the system..

djaːl kaːṣiːṭaːt //

of cassettes?

mʕa::: euː /

with er..

lwaːliːd //

my father.

lwaːliːd kaːn ħətta huwa /

my father, too..

kjsməʕ lmuːsiːqa //

used to listen to music.

ʕəndu /

he had

d < discothèque > djaːlu //

his own record collection.

ħətta huwa < les vinyles > //

he too has his LP's.

uːm kəltuːm /

Oum Kaltoum,

naːs lɣiːwaːn /

Nass El Ghiwane,

daːkʃʃi lli məʕṛuːf /

things that were well-known..

bənnisba lija //

on my part

waːlaːkiːn lli ma məʕṛuːfʃ //

but what was not known..

bənnisba lija /

on my part,

hija < la soul > /

was (for example) soul music,

< Motown > /

Motown,

eu::: < James Brown > /

er... James Brown,

< Rolling Stones > /

the Rolling Stones,

muːsiːqa lli kaːn kjsməʕ lha huːwa /

the music he used to listen to,

f eu::: l wəqt djaːlu //

in er.. his time.

faːʃ kaːnnəə::: /

when he was er..

faːʃ kaːn ʕazri //

when he was still single.

< donc > faːʃ kaːn ʕazri /

well when he was still single,

kaːnəə::: /

he used to er..

kaːn ʕəndu haːds< CD> jaːt //

he had those CD's.

u mənbəʕd dʒuwwəʒ /

and after that, he got married,

u mənbəʕd bqa kjsməʕ /

and after that, he began to listen,

u mənbəʕd mʕa ṣħaːbu /

and after, with his friends,

bqa kjsməʕ ʃwijaː::: /

he began to listen a little,

ʕaːqəl gaːʕ ʕla waːħdəl< concert > /

I can even remember a particular concert,

kənna mʃiːna liːh /

we attended,

mʕaː::: /

with..

huwa u lwaːliːda /

with him and my mother,

u ṣħaːbu //

and his friends.

kənna mʃiːna ʃəfna < James Brown > /

we went to see James Brown,

f < complexe > /

at the stadium,

muħamməd l xaːmiːs //

Mohamed V.

{laughter interviewer}

ijjɛɛh a lɛlla //

Yes, Mam!

< James Brown > //

James Brown!

kənt ʕəmmṛi mə ma /

I had ne.. never..

lmuhimm ʕaːqəl məzzjaːn /

anyway, I remember very well..

ʕla l< concert > //

the concert!

ħiːt kaːn f < complexe > /

because it was in the stadium,

f < sṭaːḍḍoːnəṛ > /

In the Big Stadium,

u < la scène > kaːnətə::: /

and the scene waṡ er..

< en face > mʕa < laːtriːbyn > //

in front of the official stand.

< scène > ţbiː:::ra //

the scene was biiiiiiiiig!

waːna ɣaːdi kanʕə:::qəl ʕla ṛaːsi ṣɣiːwəṛ //

and I er.. I remember I was very small!

kənna f < laːfoːṣ > //

We were in the pit.

kaːn xaːli ħətta huwa ʕəjjəṭ ʕliːh /

my uncle had called him too..

kaːn lwaːliːd dəbbəṛ ʕla < ḍezĩviṭasjõ > //

my father had managed to get invitations.

kjiʕṛəf nnaːs /

he knew people...

< donc y s'est bien débrouillé > /

so, in fact, he had really managed well..

u < aːpaːṛaːmã > haːdəl < concert > /

and apparently, that concert..

< c’était eu::: > /

it was er...

< une initiative > djaːlləə::: /

an initiative of er...

əl ħaːṣaːn ttaːni //

..of Hassan II.

əl ħaːṣaːn ttaːni kaːn ʕṛəḍ ʕliːh /

Hassan II had invited him,

< pɛṛsoːnɛlmã > //

personnally.

< donc > deːr /

in fact, he had...

deːr haːdaːk< kõsɛṛ > /

he had done that conert..

kaːnu nnaːs /

the people were..

ʕəmmṛu < les > /

had filled up the...

ʕəmmṛu < les gradins > /

they had filled up the seats,

ʕəmmṛu::: /

they had filled up..

< et c’était::: >

and it was

< mémorable >

unforgettable..

< donc > aːna kunt ṣɣiːṛ /

I was small..

walaːkin ʕaːqəl ʕliːh /

but I remember it well

waxxa haːkdaːk //

even like this.

lmuːsiːqa < donc > /

Music then,

ʒaːt fħaːl haːkda //

came like this.

naːs əlɣiːwaːn /

Nass El Ghiwane,

< mɛmmə > /

even...

< apṛɛɛlafɛɛṛ > /

after the case,

ʕaːd baːʃ təbda /

only then did it start,

lʕaʔiːla /

the family

bdaw kajtfəkkṛu ʃi ħwaːjəʒ //

they started remembering things.

euh ħwaːjəʒ ma kuntʃ ʕaːṛəfhum donc eu::: //

er, things I didn't know, so er..

gəlsuː::: biːnaːthum ʃhəṛ u daːkʃʃi //

they sat together for a month and so on,

kajhədṛo lʕaʔiːla //

they talked, the family.

haː aːmiːn faːʃ kaːn ṣɣiːṛ /

this is what Amine did when he was little,

u haːdi /

and so on,

gaːlət lija lwaːliːda /

My mother told me,

faːʃ kunt ṣɣiːṛ /

that when I was little,

gaːlət lija /

she told me,

kən #

I er..

baːqi ma kanəhdəṛʃ /

I couldn't speak yet,

kaːnu kjxəddmu waːħedəl kaːṣiːṭa /

they used to play a cassette,

diːma //

all the time.

walaːkin lməṛṛa lluwwla /

but the first time,

baːʃ ʕəṛfuːha /

they actually realized,

kaːnu kjxəddmu ʃʃemʕa //

they were playing "The candle",

ʕaːqəl məzjaːn //

I remember well.

ʃʃemʕa djaːləə::: ʒiːl ʒiːlaːla //

"The candle" by the group Jil Jilala

katsaːli ʃʃemʕa /

As soon as "The candle" stopped,

kanəbda nəbki //

I started crying

diːma kajxəddmu hadik əlkaṣiṭa nniːt /

they always played this very cassette,

diːma kaṣiṭa djaːl /

always the cassette of

djaːl ʃʃemʕa haːdiː::: /

of "the candle",

< et eu::: > /

and er..

muːsiːqa < donc > /

Music in fact,

daːzət fħaːl haːkda mʕa lwaːliːd /

happened like this, with my father,

u mənbəʕd mʕa xwaːli /

and later with my (maternal) uncles,

< mes oncles > /

my uncles

< mes oncles maternels > /

my maternal uncles

mʕa kaːnu ʃi wəħdiːn kajləʕbu əlgiːṭaːṛ /

because some among them played the guitar,

ʃi wəħdiːn /

some of them,

kullhum bəʃʃəʕṛṛ < ṛaṣtạ > / /

all of them with dreadlocks,

< enfin rasta > /

well er.. dreadlocks,

< kṛɛpe en tout cas > /

long frizzy hair at least,

< hippy > //

in the hippy fashion.

kaːnu mhəbbjiːn məzjaːn //

they were really hippies all the way!

u ʒʒiːha djaːlləə::: /

and on the side of er..

djaːlləə::: lwaːliːda /

of er.. my mother,

kaːnu məṭloːqiːn /

they were open-minded,

ma ʕṛəft waːʃ ħiːt ḟḟʷaːsa /

I don't know if it is because they come from Fez,

lmuhimm /

Anyways,

< seĩ un > /

it is a..

< mode de vie diːfeːṛã > ʕla /

it is a different way of life, compared to,

ʕla ʒiːha djaːl ʕmaːmi /

to the side of my paternal uncles,

ʕmaːmi ħətta huːma kaːnu hippijiːn //

My paternal uncles, too were hippies,

waːlaːkin maːʃiː::: /

but not er..

fəlmuːsiːqa məzjaːn /

in music, it was OK,

maːʃi /

not

maːʃiː f muːsiːqa ɛṭṛãʒɛṛ bəzzaːf u daːkʃʃi //

not much into foreign music and so on..

< donc > mʕa xwaːli //

so with my maternal uncles,

bdiːt kan# /

I started to...

bdiːt kansməʕ ʃwiːjaː::: /

I started to listen a little,

huːma ʕəndhum duːk< les chambres > djaːlhum //

they had their own rooms.

kulla waːħəd bwəħdu /

each one on his own,

daːba kanəmʃi kantxul /

So I used to go in:

pusṭeṛaːt //

posters!

< c’est quoi ce monde > //

Where am I? (what is this world?)

əʃ haːdləʕlaːm ʕəndhum fiːn ʕaːjʃiːn ? //

What is this world in which they are living?

u saːjɛ bʃʃwija /

and that was it, step by step,

kanəʕṛəf nəsməʕ < Pink Floyd > u daːkʃʃi //

I had learnt to listen to Pink Floyd and all that.

eum waː

emm waa

kiːfaːʃ kajtdowqu haːdəlmuːsiːqa /

How they taught me you to appreciate this music,

ana ma faːhəmhaʃ //

Personnally, I don't understand it!

kunt baːqi ṣɣiːṛ //

I was still young

waːna kənʒiːb liːhum /

I used to bring them

< ṭeknoṭṛoːniːk > /

Technotronic,

snaːp /

Snap,

heu:::

er..

lmuhimm daːkʃʃi djaːlləə::: /

anyway, all that stuff

< les jeunes > //

that young people liked.

fhaːdiːk əlwqɛɛta //

at the time.

muːsiːqa ṛ < ṛoːk > /

Rock music

u daːkʃʃi djaːlhum /

and that stuff they liked,

kaːn bənnəsba lija kbiːr //

was for me something BIG!

kaːn bənnəsba lija ʕlaːm xoːṛ //

it was another world!

iːwa fħaːl haːkda bdiːt kantdowəq /

well, this is how I started to appreciate

bdiːt kansməʕ daːkʃʃi djaːlhum /

I started to listen to their stuff

ħəttaː::: /

until..

ħətta ʕaːqəl ʕla uwwəl məṛṛa //

Until, I remember the first time

faːʃ xaːli ɣajsəmməʕni < wish you wəṛhiːṛ > djaːl < Pink Floyd > //

when my maternal uncle made me listen to "Wish you were here" of Pink Floyd.

kajguːl lija sməʕ sməʕ //

He told me: "Listen! Listen!"

kaːṣiːṭa ʃəʒʒəlha mən l < vinyle > //

a cassette he had recorded from the LP.

kansəmʕu ldiːk < les təktəktək > /

we heard all the tack tack tack,

< les tictic > djaːləə::: /

the tick tick of er..

djaːl l < vinyle > //

from the LP.

huwa ʕaːʒbu haːdʃʃi /

he really enjoyed that,

wana ma faːhəmʃ //

and I couldn't understand why!

ʕlaːʃ ʃəʒʒəl mən < vinyle >/

why he recorded from the LP,

kaːṣiːṭa baːʃ jsməʕ /

a cassette in order to hear

< le tic tic tic > djaːl /

the tick tick of

waxxa a siːdi ma kaːjn baːs //

Ok mate, no problem!

ma fhəmtəkʃ waːlaːkin /

I don't understand you, but

inʃaːḷḷah ɣaːdi nfəhmək nhaːṛ xoːṛ ///

Hopefully, I'll understand you some day!

hija haːdiːkəə::: /

This is it..

fħaːl haːkda /

in that way,

< Pink Floyd > /

Pink Floyd,

ʃwija bdiːt kansməʕ /

I slowly started listening,

muːsiːqa xʷəṛa ɣariːba /

another type of music, strange,

ʃwija /

a little,

duwwəz li xaːli eu::: /

my maternal uncle passed me er..

awwal kaːṣiːṭa taːʕ l < haṛd ṛoːk > /

the first cassette of hard rock

< Naːẓaːṛɛɛṭ > /

Nazareth.

kaːn xaːli //

My uncle used to,

kaːn < sṭjuwaṛṭ > /

He was a steward,

xaːli /

my maternal uncle,

lkbiːr fiːhum //

the oldest one.

kaːn kajəlʕəb lgiːṭaːṛ ///

He used to play the guitar.

u mən bəʕd faːʃ xdəm < sṭjuwaṛṭ > /

and later, when he worked as a steward,

< donc > wəlla kajsaːfəṛ bəzzaːf bəṛṛa //

so he began to travel abroad a lot

məṛṛa məṛṛa fṛanṣa lmɛriːkaːn kaːnaːda u daːkəʃʃi /

sometimes to France, to America, Canada and so on..

u kajʒiːb liːhum kaṣɛɛṭaːt //

he would bring them cassettes.

u daːkəʃʃi mʃəʒʒəl məzjaːn //

and they were well recorded.

< bonne qualité > //

good quality.

ʃiħaːʒa //

It was something!

ʕəndək fħaːl haːdəl kaṣɛɛṭaːt fəlmaɣṛɛb /

If you had such cassettes in Morocco,

ṛa fħaːl lli ʕəndək < des biːʒu (bijoux) > //

it was as if you had jewels!

< et eu::: > /

and er..

< donc voilà > //

so that's it!

fħaːl haːkda bdiːt kansməʕ mʕaːhum muːsiːqa /

It was like this that I started listening to music with them.

bdiːt kanmijjək ʃwija ʕla daːkəʃʃi lli kunt kansməʕ liːh qbəl //

I began to leave aside what I used to listen to before.

fħaːl < snaːp > /

like Snap,

fħaːləə::: /

like er..

fħaːl daːkəʃʃi lli kaːn < à la mode > fdiːkəlwqɛɛṭa //

like what was fashionable at the time.

< donc > bdiːt kanəə::: #

so I started to er..

bdiːt ʃwija ħətta anaːja::: /

I too began slowly to..

< autonome on va diːṛ > //

be autonomous, let's say.

< pour eu::: > /

as concerns er..

< l’écoute > djaːli /

my listening,

< pour les recherches > djaːli //

for my researches.

< et petit à petit > bdiːt kanəʕṛəf /

and little by little, I started to learn,

əddraːri fəl< collège > /

my friends at school,

< je crois > fəl< collège >/

I think that at the level of secundary school,

bdiːt kanəʕṛəf muːsiːqa xoṛa //

I started to know other musics.

hija haːdiːk faːʃ ʕṛəft l < haṛḍ ṛoːḳ > //

this is how I learned about hard rock!

< herdlouk > /

"hard-loser"!

bda l < haṛḍ ṛoːḳ >/

this is how hard rock started,

< Nirvana > /

Nirvana,

daːru < boum > f< l’album > /

they did "boum" with their album.

< smells like teːn spiṛit > //

"smells like teen spirit".

u mən bəʕd ʕaːd ʕṛəft /

and only after did know

biːna daːk< l’album > daːr < boum > maːʃi ɣiːṛ fəlmaɣṛɛb /

that this album had done "boum" not only in Morocco,

fləʕlaːm kaː:::məl //

in the whoooooooooole world!

< donc eu::: > /

so er..

kənna təqriːbaːn < victime > /

We were like victims

djaːl < ɛm ti vi > wəlla ʃiːħaːʒa /

of MTV or something,

waːlaːkin məzjaːn nniːt /

but it was really cool,

ʕṛəfna muːsiːqa ʒdiːda //

we got to know a new style of music

XXX

bəsbaːb haːd < ɛm ti vi > u haːd< les chaînes > u haːdəə::: /

because of all these MTV and those channels and er..

u haːd< les majors > ʕṛəfna muːsiːqa ʒdiːda //

and all these record companies, we got to know new music.

< donc eu::: > /

so er..

mən bəʕd haːdʃʃi taːʕ < Nirvana > u daːkʃʃi //

and after that, the Nirvana business and so on.

bdaːt ʃwija taːʕ< la curiosité > /

we started getting curious,

ʃwija taːʕ < la découverte >

a little bit of discovery,

qəlləbt ʕla kaːṣɛɛṭa mən hna /

I looked for a cassette here..

ʃədd < les échanges > /

grab an exchange possibility,

haːk kaːṣɛɛṭa //

take a cassette,

əʕṭɛɛni kaːṣɛɛṭa //

give me a cassette!

sməʕti l haːdaːk //

have you heard this?

sməʕti l haːdaːk //

have you heard that?

məzjaːn //

good!

muhimm fħaːl haːkda /

anyway, like this!

daːkʃʃi wəlla kijdiːr /

this began to form..

daːkʃʃi wəlla /

this or..

ʃwija < ṛeẓo > /

a little network,

ṣɣiːwəṛ //

very small,

kunna /

We used to

fhəmti //

You see?

< ṛṛeẓo > baːqi ṣɣɛɛṛ //

the network was still small.

< parce que > maːʃi kullʃi /

because not everyone

kjfhəm muːssiːqa ɣaṛbija //

understands western music.

maːʃi kullʃi kjfhəm muːssiːqa ɣaṛbija::: //

not everyone understands western music.

< donc > kə::: #

so I er..

keːjən waːħəd //

there's someone.

bnijadəm qliːl /

there are not many people,

lli ɣaːdi jeqdəṛ təlʕəb /

with whom you're going to be able to play

təqdəṛ mʕaːh /

you'll be able, with him..

təhdəṛ mʕaːh //

to talk with him.

u jəqdəṛ jəfhəm haːdiːkəlmuːsiːqa::: /

he'll be able to understand this type of music,

u jəqdəṛ jtəbbəʕ mʕaːk //

who'll be able to go at the same pace with you.

< bon j’crois > aːna < la chance > hija haːdi //

well, I think that this why I was lucky,

taːʕ xwaːli lli duwwzu lija /

with what my maternal uncles passed on to me,

haːdiːk< la > /

this er..

< la fibre > djaːləə::: /

this taste for er..

djaːl əlmuːsiːqa ɣaṛbija /

for western music,

u maːʃi < n’importe quelle > muːsiːqa ɣaṛbija //

and not any type of western music.

maːʃiː::: < la mode > //

not what is just fashionable,

maːʃi < Snaːp > /

not Snap,

u haːdi /

and so on,

< donc > gləbt ʕla daːkʃʃi::: //

so I dropped all that.

lqiːt biənna kaːjna muːsiːqa ma katmuːtʃ //

I found out that there is music that doesn't die,

muːsiːqa qdiːma bezzaːf //

very old music.

ssəbʕiːnaːţ /

from the seventies,

ssəttiːnaːt gaːʕ //

the sixties, even.

u ma katmuːtʃ //

and that it doesn't die.

ħiːt s< snaːp > saːlaːt //

because now Snap is forgotten,

səttə ʃhuːṛəə::: /

six months er..

ṣaːfi //

That's all!

kullʃi nsaːhum /

everyone has forgotten about them,

kullʃi //

everyone.

< Two Unlimited > u daːkʃʃi //

Two Unlimited and groups like that,

daːkʃʃi < elɛɛkṭṛoːniːk > /

this is electronic stuff,

u djaːl < les boîtes > //

and for disco's.

kjduːzəə::: /

It passes,

sətt ʃhuːṛ /

six months,

ʕaːm < maximum > ṣaːfi //

a year maximum and that's it!

kjtḍeːmoːḍa //

It goes out of fashion!

lmuːsiːqa lxʷoṛa /

The other type of music,

la ma katḍeːmoːḍaʃ //

no, it doesn't go out of fashion.

< donc > fħaːl haːkda /

So, this is

baːʃ bdiːt aːna kanqəlləb /

how I personally started to search

u haːdiː::: /

and so on,

mʕa ddraːriː /

with my friends,

tənqəllbu ʕla /

we were searching for

< Iron Maiden > //

Iron Maiden.

< les premier_album > djaːl < ajṛon Maiden > //

the first albums of Iron Maiden.

ṭaːħu biːn jəddiːna //

we happened to find them,

ʃwija bdiːna kanəmʃiːw l dəṛb ɣəlləə:::f /

then we started going to Derb Ghellef,

u haːdi::: //

and so on,

< les parents > ħətta huːma < ils encoura:::gent > /

Our parents too encouraged us,

əlwaːliːda ħətta hija mʕaːja fəlxaṭṭ //

my mother too was behind me.

əlwaːliːda /

my mother,

bɣiːt < tiʃəṛt ajṛon Maiden > //

"I want an Iron Maiden T-shirt!"

jaḷḷaːh ziːd nəʃriːh liːk //

"Ok, go ahead, I'll buy it for you!"

waːlaːkin dərt liːhum ṭijjaːṛa //

Man, I made such a fuss!

bɣiːt tiʃəṛṭ //

"I want a T-shirt!"

waː::: //

waw!

bqaːw kajhədṛu ʕə # ʕəttiʃəṛṭ //

They kept discussing about the T-shirt.

jaḷḷaːh ziːd //

"Come on, go ahead!"

əlwaːliːda məskiːna /

My poor mother!

< les économies > djaːlha u daːkʃʃi /

All her savings and so on,

əlwaːliːd ma baːɣiːʃ //

My father didn't agree.

lwaːliːda jaḷḷaːh ziːd nəʃri lək tiʃəṛṭ //

My mother: "Ok, go ahead, I'll buy you the T-shirt!"

ha kattaːwa lija mʕa bnijadəm //

Here she is, trying to discuss the price with the sellers!

bʃħaːl //

"How much do you want for it?"

xəṣṣụ ṛəbaʕiːn aːləf fṛank //

He wants 40,000 francs.

ɣaː nəʕṭiːk ʕəʃriːn aːləf fṛank //

"I'll give you 20,000!"

daːkʃʃi bənnəṣṣ //

This means half price!

lmuhimm //

Anyways!

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